ATTACKING THE MESSENGER INSTEAD OF THE MESSAGE
24 03 2006You need not read this entry.
This is just a rundown of the experience I had when I commented on another’s blog. As one popular blogger/columnist aptly described it, it was highly illuminating, though it’s not for me to say whose arguments were found to be wanting in depth and substance.
Again, this is for my personal consumption. Nevertheless, if you’re curious enough to know how our discussions went through and how the blogger eventually called me a “TROLL”, then by all means feel free to continue reading this entry down to the last letter.
In a previous article, the blogger advanced a proposition which caught my attention:
“I make a distinction between a responsible media and a licentious one. The right to freedom of the press properly belongs to a responsible media, not to a licentious one. Obviously it is always in the best interest of media to blur the distinction between the two so that licentiousness can pass off as an exercise of press freedom.”
I must admit that the proposition, on its face, sounds valid and worth considering. However, when you take a more detailed scrutiny of the possible implications such a proposition offers, that’s when you see the loophole. It’s dangerous to say the least. Probably only those who have tyrannical tendencies would openly embrace it as part of state policy. Journalists in the true sense of the word definitely abhor it. To me, the blogger seems oblivious to the fact that media establishments, like the Daily Tribune for example, are continuously being monitored by an insecure government or being threatened by an equally one-sided Secretary who’s always busy persecuting critics of the Arroyo administration.
I then countered the blogger’s proposition by asking the following questions in the context of the current state of affairs:
“1. How do you distinguish between a responsible media from a licentious one? The demarcation line is very thin and smacks of subjectivity.
2. Who determines what a licentious media is and what a responsible media should be? Gloria Arroyo? Ignacio Bunye? Arturo Lomibao? Raul Gonzalez? Mike Defensor? Ronaldo Puno? Ricardo Saludo? The publishers/editors/columnists of the Manila Standard, Manila Bulletin, the Philippine Star? RJ Jacinto? NBN 4, IBC 13, RPN 9?
3. Which is more irresponsible and licentious, media that parrots government propaganda masquerading as news OR media that is now perceived as anti-GMA?”
To which questions, the blogger answered:
“Had you asked your questions without the obvious bias, I would have responded. As it is, I won’t even dignify them with an answer.”
Haha. This is usually the escape goat of someone who could not defend his/her own proposition. Instead of facing the music squarely, the blogger capitalized on the possible motives for such questions. The blogger obviously failed to see the bigger picture that even the mere attempt at distinguishing responsible media from a licentious one is fraught with the obvious bias for which said blogger was precisely apprehensive about.
And thinking that the antic was a cheap shot for an admittedly eloquent blogger, I then retorted:
“All of us have biases. I’m sorry to say this but it’s too hypocritical for us when we say we have no bias one way or the other. In the first place, it was you who sought to distinguish between a responsible media from a licentious one. Now, you refuse to answer that by saying my questions are biased. Interestingly, those that profess to carry the badge of a “responsible” media have less readership nationwide than those now accused of being licentious.”
Besides, the facts will bear me out that two other commenters likewise tried to ask the same questions, practically pleading the blogger to answer them categorically, bargaining even that the blogger simply disregard the allegedly biased premises in my questions.
Probably pissed off by my insistence, the blogger did promise to give an answer in the next blog entry. True enough, the blogger did. But did the next entry really answer my questions? Unfortunately, it did not. Worse, the blogger deviated from the original issue and instead proceeded to make a purely theoretical discussion on what is “news” and “journalism” and how to differentiate “news” from “actual events”. The blogger went as far as citing an online encyclopedic definition of “yellow” journalism to mean “the endemic practices of particular organizations to operate as mouthpieces, for rather limited and particular allegiances, rather than for the public trust”. What the blogger did not realize was that the definiton itself provided the knock-out blow to the original proposition.
My observation to the said blog entry more or less centered on this conclusion:
“If we go by this definition, practically all media, whether print or broadcast, pro or anti-GMA, are “guilty” of this kind of journalism. This was the reason why I asked you HOW do you distinguish between a licentious media from a responsible one, WHO is to determine what is licentious and what is not, and WHICH is more licentious, media parroting government propaganda masquerading as news or media that is now the target of Raul Gonzalez’ tirades.”
To which the blogger answered with this single word:
“Precisely.”
My reply:
“Therefore, if everyone is guilty of “yellow” journalism, then what moral ascendancy does the government have to insist that press freedom belongs only to a responsible media? Otherwise stated, when everybody is licentious, who are we to accuse the other of the same “crime” that we ourselves are committing? He who cries foul must come to court with clean hands.
If not for the help of the “licentious” media with all its exposes and the whole day coverage the mainstream media gave to Erap’s impeachment trial, people would not have gathered at Edsa (which eventually convinced the AFP to withdraw it support for Erap) and Gloria Arroyo would not have assumed power in 2001.”
The blogger took exception to the last paragraph by countering:
“So… abuse should be tolerated, and glorified even, depending on who is committing it. Oh my gosh, what an admission!
Licentiousness is not limited to libelous reports nor ones that violate the right to privacy. Licentiousness is about abuse of power.”
I answered back, saying:
“Read between the lines. I’m merely trying to point out that if it was not licentious then to expose Erap’s excesses, why is it licentious now to expose GMA’s equally, if not more corrupt governance? If it was useful for Impeachment Prosecutor Gonzalez then to use some of PCIJ’s investigative findings, why is it seditious now for Secretary Gonzalez? What is good for the goose must be good for the gander.”
“Thank you for the additional definition. You hit the nail right on its head. If there is any difference between the licentiousness of media perceived as anti-GMA and the licentiousness of media in cahoots with Gloria, the latter obviously enjoys the legal protection of the DOJ with its tortiously criminal minds and the intimidating presence of PNP chief and concurrent Editor-in-Chief Lomibao with the barrel of his gun. This is the licentiousness that smacks of abuse of power.”
This was the stage where the blogger got really irritated (at least judging from the way the reactions sounded). Take note of the “attack the messenger” strategy in capitalized portions (emphasis mine):
“I gave you categorical answers. On my terms. If you expected me to say this-or-that is the answer and not support that with reasons, YOU’RE OUT OF YOUR MIND. Now if you still were not able to find the answers among my words, the problem isn’t mine. Unlike other bloggers and writers, I give answers that lead to more questions and discussion with the goal of going deeper into the issue more deeply rather than merely impose my opinion so that people will or will not support the government or the opposition or the LEFT.
Nice quotes from famous men. But famous men are never infallible in their reasoning. MENTAL EXERCISE IS BETTER.”
Naturally, as anybody would, I retaliated:
“Okay then. I will not force you to make categorical answers. Just like acts committed under PP 1017, it’s really hard to defend the indefensible. I will just have to accept your answers on my own terms too.”
“There you go again. Just because I am anti-GMA, you tend to dismiss my opinions and compare me to other bloggers you regard as superior because they toe your line of reasoning. Worse, you resort to labeling by indirectly accusing me as part of the Left (otherwise, why capitalize (emphasize) only the “left” and not the “opposition”?). Besides, I was not imposing only my opinions, I was asking you questions, which, to me, you miserably failed to answer.”
“The last time I checked your entry, you quoted your definition of “yellow” journalism from Wikipedia, “the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit”. If that’s what you call “mental exercise”, I’d rather not. I’d rather rely on the tried and tested principles of a former US President than quote from an online encyclopedia that anyone can edit.”
This time the blogger got pissed off to the hilt that the reactions were a bit insulting (emphasis mine):
“BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA I gave you answers YOU COULD NOT UNDERSTAND and you’re still whining as though you’re being magnanimous?”
“YOU GIVE YOURSELF TOO MUCH CREDIT. YOU WERE NEVER LUMPED INTO THE CATEGORY OF WRITERS AND BLOGGERS.”
“Wow, you are benighted. You’re comparing literary work with encyclopedic definition. Don’t you know the difference between those two? My gosh!”
“I WONDER NOW WHY I EVER WASTED MY TIME ANSWERING YOU. YOU’RE A TROLL, NOTHING MORE.”
I would have wanted to post one last comment but… BAM! I got rejected. The territory became hostile to a commenter like me with an opposing view. Hehe.. The maximum tolerance policy gradually became a calibrated preemptive response (CPR). All I wanted was an honest-to-goodness discussion on valid issues.
Just the same, I will not take it against the blogger who had every right — no matter how rude — to ridicule me. I won’t make a big deal out of it either or else I be falsely accused of being publicity hungry. Oh my, let the people decide who between us is the real troll. I just felt the need to defend my person and narrate some of my personal blog experiences before I forget that this site also serves as my online journal or diary.
Well, so much for my constitutional right to be heard. Let’s proceed now to more relevant topics…






Amen to what you have just said.
As for me, I practically tuned out after the obviously lacking definition of news and journalism. I forget that she discussed responsible and licentious media. All that in one column space! Hehe.
It would probably require an entire book to discuss such a topic as journalism,news, media etc.
Hello, Bystander…
As for me, I’ve long refrained from posting any comment on her blog because you could easily sense the hostility once you start disagreeing. But it’s her blog, what can I say?
i caught the tailend of her debate with DJB too before he got banned, I wonder what was it all about because she really got mad… ha ha.
Ya, we’ll just have to let the blogger be. It’s a blogger’s right to be the master of his/her own domain.
I am not sure though if I also got banned. What I noticed was my last three comments never got to appear in the comment box.
It’s also my right to defend myself (my person) in my own blog.
I have to assert my constitutional right to respond.
Thank you ricelander for dropping by.
troll is what she call everyone who gets her goat.
hay, she frowns on fraternity, like as if all those who argues with her views belong to a lynch mob. like, as if who is the leader of a “blogkadahan”, aver?
buti di ka natapunan ng caldero galing sa kitchen ni radical chef.
blog on! at kung sumikat ka na, wag na wag kang maging columnista na kunwari nagkaroon ka pa ng dilemma maintaining your independent views in the MAINSTREAM media, di katulad ng iba diyan.
Hi Bystander,
I’m sorry to learn that Sassy hasn’t answered your questions which I truly believe warranted honest to goodness replies even if only for her to be able to defencd her stand.
Because of what I’ve been reading about her or against her, have decided to checked for myself her ‘opinion’ or mental predilection on issues and so far, those that I have hit on are quite on the mark (for me, a non-lawyer). I said so to her.
I also told her that I am not completely sold to her way of tackling commenters dissent but that’s her prerogative.
I haven’t finished reading her stuff yet.
Sassy is the typical pikon. (I am too, you know). However, I believe that when a person who has extensive legal training tackles an issue, that person should be able to tackle dissent with far better aplomb that those like me who can only rely on my moral beliefs of what is right or wrong and according to my conscience.
Cheers.
It’s a rule in every argument or discussion that one should be able to adequately defend his/her position. But we cannot really force the person if he/she thinks her answers are enough to satisfy the dissenter’s senses.
What I find objectionable is for persons to resort to all sorts of sarcasms (e.g. name-calling, personal insults against my person) just to appear that they are superior to everybody else.
Personally, calling somebody a troll (whether it was meant literally or figuratively) is plainly foul (unless one has solid evidence that the person indeed is one..hehe).
We could always disagree without being disagreeable, right?
Besides, this is a free society, a democracy. I still believe that everyone is entitled to say what he/she wants to say — in the same way that freedom of the press is, to me, available even to the so-called “licentious” media.
Points well-taken. Thanks.
Being a columnist doesn’t make one an authority on press freedom and journalism. Offering opinion on what is definitely a technical discussion on journalism smacks of WIKI thinking.
Some lawyers don’t like ordinary citizens dabbling on law (as what that blogger believes); in the same way, some lawyers shouldn’t dabble on journalism, to apply the line of thought.
It’s a good thing that blogger is now an armchair lawyer; shudder to think when that blogger sits on the judge’s seat.
Arbet,
I agree.
It’s ironic that those who scorn at “abusive” media delight in using sarcasms and personal innuendos either to prove their point or simply humiliate those opposed to their views.
hi! i agree with you on this one.
i do not like it when people resort to attacking the peson instead of answering the question raised. naiinis ako sa mga napipikon pag may nagdisagree sa kanila.
I was able to read that blog entry of hers and the comment exchanges really turned me off. It was then that I decided that reading her blog isn’t worth my time anymore. I know it’s her blog and all, but the way she answers the people who disagree with her opinions is very oft-putting. Self-righteous comes to mind.
Anonymous:
I must admit though that I was also retaliatory at times (but definitely without the name-calling), but it was only so because of the somewhat sarcastic comments which i cannot just disregard.
Thanks for dropping by!
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Hi Mariel,
Thanks for visiting..
I suggest that you continue reading that blog. We have to be open even to the opinions that we dislike.
Let me also clarify that I did not post this article to get back at the somewhat shabby treatment I received over in that blog. I’m not out to destroy anybody’s credibility.
Hehe.. I just made sumbong-sumbong to my own blog. For personal consumption only. I was even surprised that MLQ3 bothered to mention my blog in his latest post. Thanks to him nonetheless.
“So… abuse should be tolerated, and glorified even, depending on who is committing it.”
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That statement of hers says it all.
IMO, there’s absolutely nothing SASSY about her. She might wanna consider BRATTY LIAR for some much-needed realism.
LCsiao:
Thanks for dropping by.
The bottomline, I guess, is we just have to respect everybody’s opinions be they logical, absurd,or biased.
hi! nice and informative posts! i’m bloghopping and just checking your blogsite. Keep the blogs rolling!
“It’s ironic that those who scorn at “abusive” media delight in using sarcasms and personal innuendos either to prove their point or simply humiliate those opposed to their views.”
It’s ironic indeed.
She’s really hot-headed and “touchy”. Too bad. I used to like reading her a lot, but I am also really disappointed by the way she treats people who disagrees with her. She has a tendency to be self-righteous. I don’t look at her with much regard as I used to.
Dude, what you got was a taste of what is so typical of Pinoy debate.
The following is a final admonition from no less than the venerable Alecks Pabico himself on my perceived “trolling” of the PCIJ blog:
http://www.getrealphilippines.com/rant/rant00025.html
By the way,
I’ve set up a Wiki facility to see if I can get the best minds in the blogosphere to collaborate on a single “Solutions Manifesto” that addresses fundamental issues that afflict Philippine society.
Wiki technology is an open source application that is Web-based and allows anyone who logs on (even anonymously) to edit content directly. The application manages version and provides the Administrator some ability to control access and content; but all-in-all, it is open for all and the resulting content will merely reflect the quality of the contributions.
Check it out here:
http://www.seedwiki.com/wiki/getrealphilippines_solutions/
If you click “edit page” on the left sidebar, you will be taken to a page editor facility that provides a WYSiWYG (what-you-see-is-what-you-get) environment to edit and save that page. You can even add pages if you want.
Hope to see you there!
Cheers,
benign0